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BubbaZ-Isaac
post Oct 24 2005, 08:21 AM
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so, it seems that several of us who have crashed during "black october" have done so due to the same mistake -

mistake #2 - my panic reaction erupted. i was already flicked from right to left but not enough to get through the left. instead of leaning the bike more and gassing it i grabbed the front break. this stood the bike up and pointed the bike at the outside edge - the gravel. this is what i learned not to do monday at superbike school. of course, lots of luck in undoing generations of panic reactions.

so, how does one train oneself out of the panic braking response? there is no time to think.


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Waterboy
post Oct 24 2005, 11:30 AM
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Can't say it enough: practice, practice, practice. That's how we get good at anything.

No reflection on you, Isaac, but a message to us all: If we think we can jump on a sport bike, ride fast, and not crash without practicing how not to do so, we are deluding ourselves. The downfall of every one of us is that we think we're good, and we think it too early in our riding careers.


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- BubbaZ-Isaac   Panic braking   Oct 24 2005, 08:21 AM
- - DMc   First and foremost is to remember NOT to put yours...   Oct 24 2005, 08:46 AM
|- - MILLE44   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 24 2005, 08:46 AM)I guess the...   Oct 24 2005, 08:57 AM
- - MILLE44   Also, I will refer you back to Busy Little Shop...   Oct 24 2005, 09:01 AM
- - MKP   Practice trailbraking till you can do it without t...   Oct 24 2005, 09:19 AM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(MKP @ Oct 24 2005, 10:19 AM)Practice tr...   Oct 24 2005, 09:41 AM
- - NoGall   Another thing about emergency hard-braking... Whe...   Oct 24 2005, 10:04 AM
|- - MILLE44   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:04 AM)Another ...   Oct 24 2005, 10:16 AM
- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 10:21 ...   Oct 24 2005, 10:17 AM
- - Kensaku   +1 on trailbraking. It's about being smooth.   Oct 24 2005, 11:23 AM
- - Waterboy   Can't say it enough: practice, practice, pract...   Oct 24 2005, 11:30 AM
- - Admar   Hey Issac, It sounds like you gave it enough brak...   Oct 24 2005, 12:53 PM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 01:53 PM)I think t...   Oct 24 2005, 01:39 PM
|- - Admar   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 02:39 PM)Since tr...   Oct 24 2005, 07:45 PM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 08:45 PM)I would d...   Oct 24 2005, 08:38 PM
|- - Admar   I am disagreeing that it has to happen long befo...   Oct 24 2005, 09:39 PM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 10:39 PM) I think ...   Oct 24 2005, 09:56 PM
|- - Admar   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:56 PM)You shou...   Oct 24 2005, 10:08 PM
||- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 11:08 PM) You have...   Oct 25 2005, 08:20 AM
||- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 11:08 PM) You have...   Oct 25 2005, 09:04 AM
||- - Waterboy   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 25 2005, 10:04 AM)I rememb...   Oct 25 2005, 11:07 AM
|||- - Kensaku   QUOTE(Waterboy @ Oct 25 2005, 12:07 PM)Yikes...   Oct 25 2005, 11:22 AM
||- - Admar   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 25 2005, 10:04 AM)Well, I ...   Oct 25 2005, 02:43 PM
||- - NoGall   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 25 2005, 03:43 PM) By the w...   Oct 25 2005, 03:16 PM
|- - DMc   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:56 PM)You shou...   Oct 25 2005, 04:35 AM
- - Kermit   QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 12:53 PM) I think ...   Oct 24 2005, 02:49 PM
- - BubbaZ-Isaac   what has been said in the above posts rings true t...   Oct 24 2005, 02:50 PM
|- - DMc   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 03:50 ...   Oct 24 2005, 02:55 PM
||- - NoGall   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 24 2005, 03:55 PM)Are you goi...   Oct 24 2005, 03:53 PM
|- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 04:50 ...   Oct 24 2005, 03:40 PM
- - christofu   I agree with much of what has been said but I woul...   Oct 24 2005, 04:26 PM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 24 2005, 05:26 PM) p.s....   Oct 24 2005, 04:40 PM
||- - sunseerie   QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 04:40 PM)Nope, I ...   Oct 24 2005, 05:27 PM
|- - Kermit   QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 24 2005, 04:26 PM)I agr...   Oct 25 2005, 04:30 PM
- - snoggin   Here is one thing well two that if you are doing I...   Oct 24 2005, 07:50 PM
- - BENRAT954   I think the best way to handle the situation is to...   Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM
|- - wheels   QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM)I thi...   Oct 24 2005, 08:28 PM
|- - christofu   QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM)I thi...   Oct 25 2005, 09:11 AM
|- - BENRAT954   QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 25 2005, 10:11 AM)I kno...   Oct 25 2005, 09:25 AM
|- - christofu   QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 09:25 AM)I gue...   Oct 25 2005, 09:42 AM
- - wheels   Hey nogall, chill bro. I don't think anyone is...   Oct 24 2005, 08:55 PM
|- - NoGall   QUOTE(wheels @ Oct 24 2005, 09:55 PM)Hey noga...   Oct 24 2005, 09:11 PM
- - wheels   Tom, I didn't realize there was anyone like th...   Oct 24 2005, 09:19 PM
|- - Waterboy   QUOTE(wheels @ Oct 24 2005, 10:19 PM)Tom, I d...   Oct 24 2005, 09:23 PM
|- - wheels   QUOTE(Waterboy @ Oct 24 2005, 09:23 PM)The pr...   Oct 24 2005, 09:35 PM
- - Admar   Hey guys, I found this write-up about trail-braki...   Oct 24 2005, 09:50 PM
- - 2Gixers2Go   First thing. I've read the first lines of thes...   Oct 24 2005, 10:15 PM
- - kevo   I agree with Christofu. I trailbrake on the street...   Oct 24 2005, 10:39 PM
- - Kensaku   Tom - I think Adam "gets it" and does no...   Oct 25 2005, 05:16 AM
|- - Kensaku   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 06:16 AM)Tom - I...   Oct 25 2005, 07:21 AM
- - BubbaZ-Isaac   ok, here's what it boils down to: if too fast ...   Oct 25 2005, 07:42 AM
|- - Kensaku   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 08:42 ...   Oct 25 2005, 07:59 AM
||- - BubbaZ-Isaac   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 08:59 AM)Hmm, In...   Oct 25 2005, 08:07 AM
|- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 09:42 ...   Oct 25 2005, 08:14 AM
||- - DMc   QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 09:14 A...   Oct 25 2005, 08:19 AM
|||- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 10:19 AM)That's ...   Oct 25 2005, 08:36 AM
||- - Kermit   QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 08:14 A...   Oct 25 2005, 03:52 PM
||- - Kensaku   QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 04:52 PM)+1 it...   Oct 25 2005, 03:56 PM
|||- - Kermit   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 03:56 PM)Rear br...   Oct 25 2005, 04:46 PM
|||- - Kensaku   QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 05:46 PM)It is a ...   Oct 25 2005, 06:01 PM
|||- - Kermit   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 06:01 PM)Backing...   Oct 25 2005, 06:35 PM
||||- - Kensaku   QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 07:35 PM)How woul...   Oct 25 2005, 08:00 PM
|||- - 2Gixers2Go   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 07:01 PM)I don...   Oct 26 2005, 03:02 AM
||- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 05:52 PM)don...   Oct 25 2005, 06:39 PM
||- - Kermit   QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 06:39 P...   Oct 25 2005, 07:29 PM
||- - kevo   QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 07:39 P...   Oct 26 2005, 02:53 AM
|- - christofu   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 07:42 ...   Oct 25 2005, 09:35 AM
||- - Kermit   QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 25 2005, 09:35 AM)Somet...   Oct 25 2005, 04:37 PM
||- - christofu   QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 04:37 PM)This is ...   Oct 25 2005, 05:09 PM
|- - MarkA   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 07:42 ...   Oct 29 2005, 08:37 PM
|- - snoggin   QUOTE(MarkA @ Oct 29 2005, 08:37 PM) 3591...   Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM
|- - Kermit   QUOTE(snoggin @ Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM) 42...   Jan 10 2006, 05:55 PM
- - Oldcat   T9   Oct 25 2005, 08:11 AM
- - DMc   What I would try to do in that freeze frame: relea...   Oct 25 2005, 08:17 AM
- - BubbaZ-Isaac   pay attention boys and girls. the consequences of ...   Oct 25 2005, 08:31 AM
|- - Kensaku   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 09:31 ...   Oct 25 2005, 08:38 AM
|- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 10:31 ...   Oct 25 2005, 09:41 AM
|- - DMc   QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 10:41 A...   Oct 25 2005, 11:30 AM
- - 2Gixers2Go   QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 08:59 AM)Hmm, In...   Oct 25 2005, 09:06 AM
- - BENRAT954   Thats good avice that i feel i have got from you b...   Oct 25 2005, 09:46 AM
- - BENRAT954   Well put, I was gettin tired of the bickering. and...   Oct 25 2005, 02:53 PM
|- - DMc   QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 03:53 PM)Well ...   Oct 25 2005, 03:02 PM
- - DMc   Meds for everyone I thought that was a good...   Oct 25 2005, 03:01 PM
|- - Kensaku   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 04:01 PM)Meds for ev...   Oct 25 2005, 03:03 PM
|- - Admar   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 04:01 PM)Meds for ev...   Oct 25 2005, 03:12 PM
- - sunseerie   .   Oct 25 2005, 03:24 PM
|- - Busy Little Shop   QUOTE(sunseerie @ Oct 25 2005, 05:24 PM). [sn...   Oct 25 2005, 03:35 PM
- - 2Gixers2Go   QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 03:53 PM)Well ...   Oct 25 2005, 05:14 PM
|- - 2Gixers2Go   QUOTE(2Gixers2Go @ Oct 25 2005, 06:14 PM)... ...   Oct 25 2005, 05:15 PM
- - Waterboy   I very seldom use brakes on the street. The only t...   Oct 25 2005, 07:26 PM
- - DMc   I love my brakes I like how they settle the bike...   Oct 25 2005, 08:11 PM
|- - Kensaku   QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 09:11 PM)I love my b...   Oct 25 2005, 08:37 PM
- - AmurphyCat   Backing it in does include a bit of rear brake. ...   Jan 10 2006, 06:44 PM
|- - Kermit   QUOTE(AmurphyCat @ Jan 10 2006, 06:44 PM)...   Jan 11 2006, 11:12 PM
- - Oldcat   If your not on the brakes.. your on the gas. Other...   Jan 11 2006, 08:47 AM
- - velowood   This is obviously a popular topic. I would like to...   Jan 11 2006, 09:03 AM
- - Kermit   QUOTE(velowood @ Jan 11 2006, 09:03 AM) 4...   Jan 11 2006, 11:27 PM


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