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 Oct 24 2005, 08:21 AM
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What yellow line? Postoris Whorasaurus  Group: Founding Member Posts: 1,866 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Fairfax Member No.: 20 Ride: FJR, Speed3 & others  |
so, it seems that several of us who have crashed during "black october" have done so due to the same mistake -
mistake #2 - my panic reaction erupted. i was already flicked from right to left but not enough to get through the left. instead of leaning the bike more and gassing it i grabbed the front break. this stood the bike up and pointed the bike at the outside edge - the gravel. this is what i learned not to do monday at superbike school. of course, lots of luck in undoing generations of panic reactions. so, how does one train oneself out of the panic braking response? there is no time to think. -------------------- I may not be fast, but I feel fast!
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Oct 24 2005, 02:50 PM
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What yellow line? Postoris Whorasaurus Group: Founding Member Posts: 1,866 Joined: 17-November 04 From: Fairfax Member No.: 20 Ride: FJR, Speed3 & others |
what has been said in the above posts rings true to me, but i also think that (as said) once i go in with too high an entry speed, the die is cast, and it becomes about saving my ass and getting through the turn without crashing.
rule #1 at that point is "don't do the instinctual panic reaction thing which is to grab a handful of brake". so, how does one train oneself to not panic react? do i really have to repeatedly push to the point where the panic sets in and overcome it with correct action? over and over until correct action is the immediate response over inappropiate panic response? man, that's going to be scary! yep, there goes isaac, freaking himself out in every corner so he can practice freaking out correctly. talk about the opposite of "a nice relaxing ride". 
-------------------- I may not be fast, but I feel fast!
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Oct 24 2005, 03:40 PM
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multiply the pleasure and divide the grief... Contributor Group: Member Posts: 377 Joined: 23-September 05 From: Sacramento Member No.: 300 Ride: Honda RC45 |
QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 04:50 PM) so, how does one train oneself to not panic react? do i really have to repeatedly push to the point where the panic sets in and overcome it with correct action? over and over until correct action is the immediate response over inappropiate panic response? [right][snapback]35093[/snapback][/right] Mercy... make sure you practice in a save environment like a large deserted parking lot... you can set up Coke cans to line out a large figure 8 course... you push until you're blowing the corners and experience onset of panic... you work to over come panic with the correct action... no brakes... head and eyes up... look where you wish to go... trust your new found lean angles... practice your brains lose... well at least until you're not crushing cans... 8-) -------------------- Larry L
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BubbaZ-Isaac Panic braking Oct 24 2005, 08:21 AM
DMc First and foremost is to remember NOT to put yours... Oct 24 2005, 08:46 AM
MILLE44 QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 24 2005, 08:46 AM)I guess the... Oct 24 2005, 08:57 AM MILLE44 Also, I will refer you back to Busy Little Shop... Oct 24 2005, 09:01 AM MKP Practice trailbraking till you can do it without t... Oct 24 2005, 09:19 AM NoGall QUOTE(MKP @ Oct 24 2005, 10:19 AM)Practice tr... Oct 24 2005, 09:41 AM NoGall Another thing about emergency hard-braking...
Whe... Oct 24 2005, 10:04 AM MILLE44 QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:04 AM)Another ... Oct 24 2005, 10:16 AM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 10:21 ... Oct 24 2005, 10:17 AM Kensaku +1 on trailbraking. It's about being smooth. Oct 24 2005, 11:23 AM Waterboy Can't say it enough: practice, practice, pract... Oct 24 2005, 11:30 AM Admar Hey Issac,
It sounds like you gave it enough brak... Oct 24 2005, 12:53 PM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 01:53 PM)I think t... Oct 24 2005, 01:39 PM Admar QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 02:39 PM)Since tr... Oct 24 2005, 07:45 PM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 08:45 PM)I would d... Oct 24 2005, 08:38 PM Admar
I am disagreeing that it has to happen long befo... Oct 24 2005, 09:39 PM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 10:39 PM)
I think ... Oct 24 2005, 09:56 PM Admar QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:56 PM)You shou... Oct 24 2005, 10:08 PM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 11:08 PM)
You have... Oct 25 2005, 08:20 AM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 11:08 PM)
You have... Oct 25 2005, 09:04 AM Waterboy QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 25 2005, 10:04 AM)I rememb... Oct 25 2005, 11:07 AM Kensaku QUOTE(Waterboy @ Oct 25 2005, 12:07 PM)Yikes... Oct 25 2005, 11:22 AM Admar QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 25 2005, 10:04 AM)Well, I ... Oct 25 2005, 02:43 PM NoGall QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 25 2005, 03:43 PM)
By the w... Oct 25 2005, 03:16 PM DMc QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 10:56 PM)You shou... Oct 25 2005, 04:35 AM Kermit QUOTE(Admar @ Oct 24 2005, 12:53 PM) I think ... Oct 24 2005, 02:49 PM DMc QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 24 2005, 03:50 ... Oct 24 2005, 02:55 PM NoGall QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 24 2005, 03:55 PM)Are you goi... Oct 24 2005, 03:53 PM christofu I agree with much of what has been said but I woul... Oct 24 2005, 04:26 PM NoGall QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 24 2005, 05:26 PM)
p.s.... Oct 24 2005, 04:40 PM sunseerie QUOTE(NoGall @ Oct 24 2005, 04:40 PM)Nope, I ... Oct 24 2005, 05:27 PM Kermit QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 24 2005, 04:26 PM)I agr... Oct 25 2005, 04:30 PM snoggin Here is one thing well two that if you are doing I... Oct 24 2005, 07:50 PM BENRAT954 I think the best way to handle the situation is to... Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM wheels QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM)I thi... Oct 24 2005, 08:28 PM christofu QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 24 2005, 07:52 PM)I thi... Oct 25 2005, 09:11 AM BENRAT954 QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 25 2005, 10:11 AM)I kno... Oct 25 2005, 09:25 AM christofu QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 09:25 AM)I gue... Oct 25 2005, 09:42 AM wheels Hey nogall, chill bro. I don't think anyone is... Oct 24 2005, 08:55 PM NoGall QUOTE(wheels @ Oct 24 2005, 09:55 PM)Hey noga... Oct 24 2005, 09:11 PM wheels Tom, I didn't realize there was anyone like th... Oct 24 2005, 09:19 PM Waterboy QUOTE(wheels @ Oct 24 2005, 10:19 PM)Tom, I d... Oct 24 2005, 09:23 PM wheels QUOTE(Waterboy @ Oct 24 2005, 09:23 PM)The pr... Oct 24 2005, 09:35 PM Admar Hey guys,
I found this write-up about trail-braki... Oct 24 2005, 09:50 PM 2Gixers2Go First thing. I've read the first lines of thes... Oct 24 2005, 10:15 PM kevo I agree with Christofu. I trailbrake on the street... Oct 24 2005, 10:39 PM Kensaku Tom - I think Adam "gets it" and does no... Oct 25 2005, 05:16 AM Kensaku QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 06:16 AM)Tom - I... Oct 25 2005, 07:21 AM BubbaZ-Isaac ok, here's what it boils down to:
if too fast ... Oct 25 2005, 07:42 AM Kensaku QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 08:42 ... Oct 25 2005, 07:59 AM BubbaZ-Isaac QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 08:59 AM)Hmm, In... Oct 25 2005, 08:07 AM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 09:42 ... Oct 25 2005, 08:14 AM DMc QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 09:14 A... Oct 25 2005, 08:19 AM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 10:19 AM)That's ... Oct 25 2005, 08:36 AM Kermit QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 08:14 A... Oct 25 2005, 03:52 PM Kensaku QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 04:52 PM)+1
it... Oct 25 2005, 03:56 PM Kermit QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 03:56 PM)Rear br... Oct 25 2005, 04:46 PM Kensaku QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 05:46 PM)It is a ... Oct 25 2005, 06:01 PM Kermit QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 06:01 PM)Backing... Oct 25 2005, 06:35 PM Kensaku QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 07:35 PM)How woul... Oct 25 2005, 08:00 PM 2Gixers2Go QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 07:01 PM)I don... Oct 26 2005, 03:02 AM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 05:52 PM)don... Oct 25 2005, 06:39 PM Kermit QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 06:39 P... Oct 25 2005, 07:29 PM kevo QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 07:39 P... Oct 26 2005, 02:53 AM christofu QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 07:42 ... Oct 25 2005, 09:35 AM Kermit QUOTE(christofu @ Oct 25 2005, 09:35 AM)Somet... Oct 25 2005, 04:37 PM christofu QUOTE(Kermit @ Oct 25 2005, 04:37 PM)This is ... Oct 25 2005, 05:09 PM MarkA QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 07:42 ... Oct 29 2005, 08:37 PM snoggin QUOTE(MarkA @ Oct 29 2005, 08:37 PM) 3591... Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM Kermit QUOTE(snoggin @ Jan 10 2006, 04:26 PM) 42... Jan 10 2006, 05:55 PM Oldcat T9 Oct 25 2005, 08:11 AM DMc What I would try to do in that freeze frame: relea... Oct 25 2005, 08:17 AM BubbaZ-Isaac pay attention boys and girls.
the consequences of ... Oct 25 2005, 08:31 AM Kensaku QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 09:31 ... Oct 25 2005, 08:38 AM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(BubbaZ-Isaac @ Oct 25 2005, 10:31 ... Oct 25 2005, 09:41 AM DMc QUOTE(Busy Little Shop @ Oct 25 2005, 10:41 A... Oct 25 2005, 11:30 AM 2Gixers2Go QUOTE(Kensaku @ Oct 25 2005, 08:59 AM)Hmm, In... Oct 25 2005, 09:06 AM BENRAT954 Thats good avice that i feel i have got from you b... Oct 25 2005, 09:46 AM BENRAT954 Well put, I was gettin tired of the bickering. and... Oct 25 2005, 02:53 PM DMc QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 03:53 PM)Well ... Oct 25 2005, 03:02 PM DMc Meds for everyone
I thought that was a good... Oct 25 2005, 03:01 PM Kensaku QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 04:01 PM)Meds for ev... Oct 25 2005, 03:03 PM Admar QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 04:01 PM)Meds for ev... Oct 25 2005, 03:12 PM sunseerie . Oct 25 2005, 03:24 PM Busy Little Shop QUOTE(sunseerie @ Oct 25 2005, 05:24 PM).
[sn... Oct 25 2005, 03:35 PM 2Gixers2Go QUOTE(BENRAT954 @ Oct 25 2005, 03:53 PM)Well ... Oct 25 2005, 05:14 PM 2Gixers2Go QUOTE(2Gixers2Go @ Oct 25 2005, 06:14 PM)... ... Oct 25 2005, 05:15 PM Waterboy I very seldom use brakes on the street. The only t... Oct 25 2005, 07:26 PM DMc I love my brakes I like how they settle the bike... Oct 25 2005, 08:11 PM Kensaku QUOTE(DMc @ Oct 25 2005, 09:11 PM)I love my b... Oct 25 2005, 08:37 PM AmurphyCat Backing it in does include a bit of rear brake.
... Jan 10 2006, 06:44 PM Kermit QUOTE(AmurphyCat @ Jan 10 2006, 06:44 PM)... Jan 11 2006, 11:12 PM Oldcat If your not on the brakes.. your on the gas. Other... Jan 11 2006, 08:47 AM velowood This is obviously a popular topic. I would like to... Jan 11 2006, 09:03 AM Kermit QUOTE(velowood @ Jan 11 2006, 09:03 AM) 4... Jan 11 2006, 11:27 PM |
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